tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5136713661812329747.post3946037747556520994..comments2017-09-11T09:28:06.408-05:00Comments on 49 and holding...: Wild Goose chasingDeborah Coble http://www.blogger.com/profile/03281284722483380968noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5136713661812329747.post-15251077781099426872011-07-08T22:24:19.567-05:002011-07-08T22:24:19.567-05:00Deborah, I think we could potentially have GREAT d...Deborah, I think we could potentially have GREAT dialogue! I too think we shy away from deep relationships...true community. I often get "accused" of being too deep. But, it's me...it's the Holy Spirit and I love the way He relates to me! Also, I LOVE your line..."I am also an Evangelical who leans toward the Emergence Church movement." I have found myself on both sides of this "fence/divide(what I believe it can truly be)" and see beautiful people/hearts on both sides. I don't really want to choose a side...had a friend tell me recently that I don't have to! Jesus was rejected too...I think He understands not fitting in or being accepted in ANY group! Anyway, I believe I do tend to lean towards Emergent...I just don't like the massive bashing that takes place both directions. Makes me sad. Great post!Tammy Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07880246076836728123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5136713661812329747.post-78840311346724610192011-07-04T13:09:30.283-05:002011-07-04T13:09:30.283-05:00thanks Steve and Cherie,
it is my prayer that th...thanks Steve and Cherie, <br /><br />it is my prayer that this is a safe place to engage in conversation with others. Thanks for joining in! <br /><br />peace,<br />deborahDeborah Coble https://www.blogger.com/profile/03281284722483380968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5136713661812329747.post-29330661399150534842011-07-04T13:02:33.261-05:002011-07-04T13:02:33.261-05:00I was at Wild Goose and came away a changed and ho...I was at Wild Goose and came away a changed and hopeful person. What I loved most about Wild Goose was that it was a safe place for dialog - something that is all too rare in church settings. Thanks for sharing.Cheriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06661705838389866476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5136713661812329747.post-12983973305306548502011-07-04T09:49:41.845-05:002011-07-04T09:49:41.845-05:00Thanks for these thoughts and reflections, Rev. Wi...Thanks for these thoughts and reflections, Rev. Wise! And for the gracious way you are responding to the commenters here on your blog. Grace and peace to you!Steve K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06006066705570206659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5136713661812329747.post-85165070130617364662011-07-02T12:41:36.678-05:002011-07-02T12:41:36.678-05:00Thanks Lon!Thanks Lon!Deborah Coble https://www.blogger.com/profile/03281284722483380968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5136713661812329747.post-82093477978643392952011-07-02T11:50:44.865-05:002011-07-02T11:50:44.865-05:00Loved it Deb! Looking forward to hearing more. Re...Loved it Deb! Looking forward to hearing more. Really wish I could have gone.Lon Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13917569197587678285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5136713661812329747.post-75457501138829460042011-07-02T06:45:23.988-05:002011-07-02T06:45:23.988-05:00John,
I guess I begin with a wide view, Consider ...John,<br /><br />I guess I begin with a wide view, Consider our United Methodist practice of Holy Communion. We have an open table inviting all who love God and repent of their sins to come forward and receive the Body and Blood of Christ. It is not I who decides if those receiving have repented enough or love God enough. I trust that the Holy Spirit will convict and move in the hearts and minds of those receiving, which is why we say Eucharist is a Holy Mystery.<br /><br />In a way the open table (just as my embracing of all people as God's children and therefore brothers and sisters) then gives me a starting point to walk alongside someone, if they so desire, to share basic Orthodox beliefs, to talk about "Biblical authority and the universality of sin and the consequent need of redemption through Christ's blood." I believe all of these are essential if we are to grow in sanctification, by the grace of God. But we need a starting point and I prefer to do this casting a wide net based on love (Wesley called this Prevenient Grace, God loving us before we even knew we needed God's mercy and grace)<br /><br />To dive into these sorts of discussions we need to remember how Wesley did it - through classes and bands. Through intentional community building and disciple making. This is something that the United Methodist church has forgotten over the past 160 years or so, and something we must reclaim.<br /><br />Peace, DeborahDeborah Coble https://www.blogger.com/profile/03281284722483380968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5136713661812329747.post-8297790925233550202011-07-02T00:27:17.814-05:002011-07-02T00:27:17.814-05:00When did being "fixed as the sun" (in We...When did being "fixed as the sun" (in Wesley's words) on core theological orthodoxy about such matters as biblical authority and the universality of sin and consequent need of redemption through Christ's blood become a vice to be dismissed as "inflexible or full of fear and anger" and "lurk[ing] around on the fringes"? I fail to see how your making such a straw-man argument fits with your expressed desire to seek to authentically know brothers and sisters in Christ without just falling back on comfortable stereotypes of the Other. And aren't there some basic beliefs that others should have to share (like rejecting the humanistic Christology of outspoken UMC bishop Joe Sprague) that people should have to share before they can be accurately described as "brothers and sisters in Christ"? Or is that phrase simply nice-sounding but ultimately meaningless?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00728427743268174833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5136713661812329747.post-60652060589001708972011-07-01T21:48:06.073-05:002011-07-01T21:48:06.073-05:00John McAdams,
What I saw and heard was an invitat...John McAdams,<br /><br />What I saw and heard was an invitation to care deeply enough to embrace issues that speak to you, whether that's school choice, unions, or more sidewalks - please read my more recent post for more thoughts about activism.<br /><br />Thank you for the good questions,<br />deborahDeborah Coble https://www.blogger.com/profile/03281284722483380968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5136713661812329747.post-47428740078859518362011-07-01T21:41:07.471-05:002011-07-01T21:41:07.471-05:00If old fashioned liberal causes include balm for o...<i>If old fashioned liberal causes include balm for our broken and hurting world, encouragement for life's journey and a call to living intentionally as people who feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the imprisoned and provide cold water to the thirsty (see Matthew 25:31-46), well then - I guess that's what I saw.</i><br /><br />You just admitted that what Tooley said is true. Not everybody agrees that the standard liberal agenda is the way to help the poor.<br /><br />Was anybody promoting school choice, for example?<br /><br />Did anybody suggest that public sector unions ought to make sacrifices for the common good?<br /><br />Believing that concern for the poor is identical with a liberal/left agenda is the mark of politically liberal religion.John McAdamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04843727752066511266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5136713661812329747.post-48851885691941253982011-06-29T22:15:33.128-05:002011-06-29T22:15:33.128-05:00Looking forward to the follow up posts.Looking forward to the follow up posts.John Meunierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15640046073453219165noreply@blogger.com